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« on: May 07, 2008, 05:49:07 AM »

Hey Guys,

What are your views with OPEN hand OR CLOSED fist striking to the head/face?
(mainly thinking street scenarios here guys).

How does JKDU train empty hand strikes with regard to being able to use them in the ring/octogan?

If you train closed fist shots like punching for mma, won't you automatically strike closed fist in the street?


Appreciate the feedback,


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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 07:34:19 AM »


hey adamuk,

im not the more experienced in jkdu , but i can say that if you train mainly closed fist like most of the people do and take a little time sometimes to practice youre palm strikes , when you will get in a combat mode you will certainly strike whit closed fist cause thats what youre brain have recorded for most of the time.

when i do light sparring whitout protective gears i use open hands but the rest of the time i train whit closed fist so my reflex is much much more to attack whit closed fist .

so about wich one is better im pretty sure the two are good ,1 close fist will domage more the external part of the face but you have more chance to hurt youre hand ,2 palm stikes will cause the same domage on the impact but cause maybe less domage on the external part of the face and you have less chances to hurt youre hands.

hope it helps a bit .

take care

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 12:32:21 PM »

The only real disadvantage of open-palm strikes is that they limit your range by a 2-3 inches, depending on your hand size.  They have the potential to inflict just as much damage to one's opponent, provided one uses the proper strike to the proper target (see my earlier comments about the soft tissue triangles here http://jkdunlimited.com/forums/index.php?topic=907.0).

I give my students the option to strike with either closed fists or open palms during sparring.  The choice is based on the following conditions:
(1) Bone Structure: I'm 6'3" tall and only weigh 172 lbs, which means I have the bone structure of an emaciated bird.  If I hit a skull with a closed fist, my hand will almost certainly shatter (I'm speaking from experience, having cracked a knuckle when I was a teenager by punching a guy in the head).  Some guys have hands like country hams and can punch whatever they like, so I encourage them to use closed fists.  I use palm heel strikes to the soft-tissue triangle for straight punches and palm slaps to the ear/jaw/temple triangle for hooks.  However, when punching to the body, I use a closed fist.

(2) Training Goals: If you plan to compete in MMA, boxing, or kickboxing, you should always train with a closed fist since that is how you will perform in competition.  This way, you are not confusing your muscle-memory with two skill sets.  Closed fist strikes certainly work on the street; they just carry with them a higher risk of hand injury.  If you never plan on competing, I'd say go with the open palm strikes.

(3) Weapons:  If you carry a weapon for self-defense, you need to make sure that you don't break your weapon-bearing hand so that you cannot transition to that weapon in a time of need.  Shattering your trigger-finger knuckle on a guy's forehead will come back to haunt you if he pulls a knife and you are unable to utilize your firearm.

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 10:01:29 PM »

I did some mma sparring a couple of weeks ago.
It was the first time I've punched and blocked in over a year aside from casual slap boxing.
First thing I noticed was my fist wasn't correct. I noticed this after I covered/blocked an overhand right. The impact of his fist on my fist was noticable primarilly cause I had a loose fist. Specifically my hand was in a fist, my fingers curled correctly, but my fist from index to pinky was slightly concaved/rounded. It makes an ok technique for punching, though I do give up some power, but the pinky to index was slightly knurled in, vs a vertical surface from pinky to index. My punching with an incorrect fist was fine, but the cover was a painful realization that I adjusted immediatly.


This goes back to working the basics correctly. As well as doing drills regularly to keep the rust off. This realization wouldn't have been noticed hitting the heavy bag and without live/semi live training.
note I do have a background in boxing, but it has been 15-20years, so I do have some idea on making a fist and throwing a punch. I do realize adjustments need to be made from sport to sd.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 08:10:03 PM »

http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/articles/non-firearms-defensive-tools/closed-fist-strike/
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 01:58:08 AM »

im not a JKDU instructor just an opinion, you choose what you like to use in street or in real fight. and I second the motion to marcus, its about your training and conditioning. if you choose palm strike you use it in your training.

close fist do external damage and palm strike or open hand strike, according to my research to wing chun, do internal damage such internal organs due to it causes shock and wave as wing chun states and with science explanation.

in JKDU, in my understanding, is about what is useful to yourself, but everything is tested by yourself  in under pressure and reality basis. what I know, Guro Burton will show submission but he emphasize Choking because of its effectiveness and for me I decide to go for choking and just back-up my ground with submission but I go for chokes. Palm??? I decide to use it on chest only because when I was in red cross and became a dummy for CPR training, whew  Shocked, I fell terrible pump into my heart and chest.

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 08:37:48 PM »

I prefer open handed strikes mostly because

A) I know I can hit HARD without hurting myself.
B) my right hand has damage from years of punching things.

I still train closed fist.
As for decreased range with open hand....if you are short with an open hand, your fingers can still get there.
At close range I can hit much harder with open hands.
But that's because I have worked on it.
I'm a big fan of "short power strikes"
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