Harimau from the ground

[adamuk]

Hey guys,

Although silat is becoming more readily available in the UK, I have only had a chance to dabble with it but just seem to luv watching it being performed at demostrations.

One of the UK based Harimau instructors Richard DeBordes taught some years ago at the Inosanto Academy and I wondered if anyone attended or has trained in harimau/tiger style?

What are your thoughts of using these harimau kicks in MMA when you are on the floor/ laying on your back and your opponent is standing over you and thai kicking your legs?
Instead of the UP kick, has anyone been able to pull any harimau kicks off in sparring or even better, for real on the streets??

What has people found any style of silat has had to offer their game in terms of useful ALIVE fighting techniques?

Is it an Indonesian, Java, Malay mindset that everyone carries a blade, so when silat players grapple, they don't get tangled or end up mounted or pulling guard?
How does silat grappling vary to MMA grappling?

Do the multiple strikes of silat hands and elbows have the KO power of boxing or muay thai?

What silat systems are readily aailable in the USA?
In the UK I only know of the Harimau group, Walisongo Silat, Cimande Silat and Lincah silat.

How has Silat changed/evolved the kung fu systems that reached their shores........or is it very much Indonesian kung fu?

I'd really like some feedback on Silat and it's styles by anyone that has actually trained in a system for a while.


Cheers,



Adam
UK

[Jeff Rockwell]

I know these are not exactly Silat-style kicks, but I though Aoki did a great job utilizing upkicks from this De La Riva guard position in his fight vs. JZ Cavalcanti.  Getting and keeping control of the wrist/glove is key!

http://www.mmalinker.com/xSearch.php?name=aoki&vidid=4551&vidt=i

[Keith Foster]

Hi Adam,

I have been training Madjapahit for a short time with my wife and think that it could be applied to the streets. Of course the only way to truly test this method is with resistance and sparring.

Guru Suzannne Luna Spezzano's, "Introduction to Madjapahit Silat" is a really excellent dvd to get you started Adam.

I can't wait to see Burton's Silat DVD which I'm sure will be awesome.

Hope that helped.

Keith

[Walker]

If you want to watch that fight and not know who won, then don't read this.









That didn't show the whole fight, but I was disappointed in the outcome.  I hate it when grappler's go against strikers (that's what the match-up looked like to me, anyway) and all they do is lay on the ground.  At one point, Aoki actually closed the gap between striking and "clinch" by jumping into guard.  Not taking anything away from Aoki's ground game, but he I didn't see him attempt any stand-up.  At least Calvan played both games by tring to get in and do some ground-n-pound.  Aoki definitely controlled the ground, and went for more submissions, but that's the only game he played. 

I don't know how these things are judged, and maybe I just wanted to see Aoki get beat, but I would have given it to Calvan. 

Actually, I just re-watched the fight and the whole thing was on the ground except for two brief instances (Aoki pulled guard both times), so maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe I'm just used to the UFC where they stand things up if not much is happening (Calvan was standing while Aoki was down for a while).

Any other opinions.

[Shelt]

I swear it looks like Aoki was wearing neoprene, perhaps in an effort to gain more friction for his legs????

I love grappling, but that really BLEW. i would'a went for a beer than watch that. Most interesting part was the stroking Calvan did in the 1st.