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« on: August 16, 2005, 04:04:33 PM »

I'm having trouble maintaining control of some of my taller sparring partners when I get in for the clinch. Some of them have a good 6" of height on me (I'm only 5'6" Sad ) I've gotten better at being able to enter into the clinch but because of their height advantage they seem to easily defend my underhook and thai clinch. So far I've only been able to use a single neck tie successfully while controling their other arm. (If they try to strike me on the neck tie side I pull on the opposite ear. If they try to hit with the hand I'm controling I use a duck under and take them down) But the other positions that I have knowledge of (Single underhook, double underhook) I can't seem to make them work. Any suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2005, 07:07:25 AM »

Chino! Very Happy

My progress in the clinch really improved when I started to recognize that it is meant to be transitory.  I had been focusing on trying to hold people in underhooks, bodylocks, etc. and was feeling frustrated when they would eventually escape.   Then I started to look at the bigger picture.  When I underhook, he does this which opens up this which could lead to this, and so on and so forth.  So now, I strive to flow between positions with the ultimate goal of a takedown or safe striking position.  The various handholds in the clinch should not be the goal they are merely the path to the goal.  

Regarding the underhooks on taller opponents if you are using the traditional hand over the shoulder grip you will not be able to maintain the desired tension necessary because their  height will pull your arm out of the desired position.  Against taller opponents I have better results with using a seatbelt type grip across the back when my arm is under his arm.

Hope this helps brother.

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2005, 12:06:47 PM »

Thanx I put that concept into practice and found myself being a lot more efective in the clinch
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2005, 04:49:39 PM »

Great advice Cr8!!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2005, 12:12:27 PM »

Yes, also keep the elbows pointed down when you bodylock to help avoid the whizzer.  Always look to drop for a double from the bodylock too, as it is easy to do from there.  Aloha!
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2005, 06:32:37 PM »

found through sparring that a simple leg trip works really well from a body lock position. Once I took Cr8 advice and look at clinching more from a striking perspective than a control perspective my effectiveness shot through the roof!    Razz  The body lock seems to work really well for me against my taller sparring partners. can Anybody advise me on some good takedowns from this position besides going for a double or single leg?
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2005, 07:04:12 PM »

From the side-bodylock  hit a rear drop throw by placing your foot behind his far heel and pull/drop him backwards over it. If you want to keep your partner happy, don't sit htrough his nearside knee when you drop. Shocked
Another one, lift him and sweep his legs forward while throwing his upper body backwards.  

From the front-bodylock just wrap one leg around his and hook his leg with your head on the opposite side of his head and drive him over his trapped leg.  Try to slide your rear leg through to mount. Also once he's going over and can't recover, open your hands and land on him (very important habit for the street). I tell people to do a body arch like you see skydivers do to land on their opponent and get their arms out.

These are the simplest from the bodylock.  Go back and read Jims description of the "digging" clasped hands grip in a recent thread. This is a very important point and I use my head with it to dig, lift and drive my opponent over.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2005, 07:51:53 AM »

Chino,
    I am glad that my experience helped you, brother! Very Happy From bodylock I have had success with the basic knee pinch takedown (on the side you are on, pinch opps leg between knees and then wrench their upper body back while pushing knees forward) or sliding to the back.  From the back you can jump choke (get those hooks in!), drag choke (looks like rear naked but instead of immediate hooks you drag them backwards) or knee pop from the rear bodylock to  double underhook snap down (you lift and use the knee to push their lower body forward, when their feet land you switch to underhooks and snap them backwards).  All the foot blocks, trips and throws are easier from the back too!!

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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2005, 11:13:27 AM »

We're talking high level technique here!
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