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Hi, Some one asked me to do a review on Gracie Kids, so here goes. When I did Taekwondo I used to help my instructor every Saturday morning with the kids. This started from "Tiger kids" which I believe was 5 years old and was a lot of fun. The kids warmed up with a game then, my instructor showed a little technique followed with a game. This pattern was repeated throughout the class. Gracie kids really excels at the games part of the learning process. Children learn through play. Play is what children love, so why not learn your child to be "Bullyproof" through play? That's a great queastion and the answer is, this is the best way to learn your child. A natural by product of this process, is the bond that is created between you and your child. You have fun and your child has fun. What could be more fun than that? This really is an awesome learning programme and you owe it to your child, to help prepare him or her, not only to be "bullyproof" but for life as well and all the challenges this brings. You can register your child for free here and watch some free videos; https://www.graciekids.com/Default.aspxGracie games are at the heart of this process and here is Brandon's favourite; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9XH0eajXIIf you have any questions, please ask! |
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 02:55:34 PM » |
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Thanks, Keith. I'm definitely getting this DVD set the next time I have some spare money. I suspect that most of Burton's JKDU Performance Games could be modified for a kids class. I actually used the Crazy Horse game the other night to help one of my students who was having trouble holding the back. This guy is 21 years old and about 225 lbs, but he liked the game and it made his hook control much tighter.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 11:22:05 PM » |
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Hi Jim, Your very welcome!  Yes there's nothing to say that adults can't have fun with these games as well.  I love your idea of modifying Burtons performance games for kids class. Burton if your reading this, how about JKDU For Kids dvd series? Thanks Jim! |
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2011, 01:47:11 PM » |
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Keith thank you for the review.
I posted a short review too, in the other thread.
Jim, as a bjj student the games and teaching BP have actually helped improve aspects of my game and of putting my thoughts into words.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 03:56:56 AM » |
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Garth. The account has been activated once more. Was down for a while due to a dispute that Zuffa had with copyright,  but has since been resolved. |
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 12:08:40 AM » |
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I've been doing this material with my son this year. I'm at a condundrum of having him primarily fight for the harness and abandoning the hooks if needed as it is a much more efficient position imo, than trying to keep the hooks and hold a sloppy backpack/harness. Possibly hop to the side or float on the back for positional dominance.
Anyone have thoughts on this?
This ties in to the bulldozer drill where the opponent is mounted or has his back taken and decides to spin.
Keeping the harness and just controlling the head/neck vs floating as the bulldozer rolls.
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 02:06:01 PM » |
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I've been doing this material with my son this year. I'm at a condundrum of having him primarily fight for the harness and abandoning the hooks if needed as it is a much more efficient position imo, than trying to keep the hooks and hold a sloppy backpack/harness. Possibly hop to the side or float on the back for positional dominance.
Anyone have thoughts on this?
This ties in to the bulldozer drill where the opponent is mounted or has his back taken and decides to spin.
Keeping the harness and just controlling the head/neck vs floating as the bulldozer rolls.
I hear you. How old is your son? I have a small kids class of 6-7 year olds where I teach my son and a handful of his friends. When I teach them the Crazy Horse game, I use the reminders "Hooks, Harness, Head!" Hooks, get your hooks in tight without crossing your ankles. I pretend I'm going to "eat" their toes and I pull their feet up in the direction of my mouth. They think that's hilarious and it gets them to pull their hooks really tight. Harness, they get their over/under seatbelt grip if their arms are long enough and prepare to hold on tight. Head, they have to glue their head to mine so we don't headbutt each other. Emphasizing these three elements seems to work pretty well, and they have gotten pretty good at securing each other's backs as well as mine. The only issue that I have is that without teaching them the RNC (deliberately left out of the Bullyproof program), the backmount loses a lot of its potency, IMO. I don't think many bullies are going to give up from being held there (much more likely from side control or mount). What do you think? Have you shown your son the RNC? I have taught it to my son, but I have not shown it to the class, and he never even thinks to use it in that environment. Keeping the harness with no hooks could be a viable option if he has long arms and a good squeeze, though IMO that takes a bit more agility and coordination to maintain against a thrashing opponent than the harness/hooks combination. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2011, 02:54:51 PM » |
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I hear you. How old is your son? I have a small kids class of 6-7 year olds where I teach my son and a handful of his friends. When I teach them the Crazy Horse game, I use the reminders "Hooks, Harness, Head!" Hooks, get your hooks in tight without crossing your ankles. I pretend I'm going to "eat" their toes and I pull their feet up in the direction of my mouth. They think that's hilarious and it gets them to pull their hooks really tight. Harness, they get their over/under seatbelt grip if their arms are long enough and prepare to hold on tight. Head, they have to glue their head to mine so we don't headbutt each other. Emphasizing these three elements seems to work pretty well, and they have gotten pretty good at securing each other's backs as well as mine.
The only issue that I have is that without teaching them the RNC (deliberately left out of the Bullyproof program), the backmount loses a lot of its potency, IMO. I don't think many bullies are going to give up from being held there (much more likely from side control or mount). What do you think? Have you shown your son the RNC? I have taught it to my son, but I have not shown it to the class, and he never even thinks to use it in that environment.
Keeping the harness with no hooks could be a viable option if he has long arms and a good squeeze, though IMO that takes a bit more agility and coordination to maintain against a thrashing opponent than the harness/hooks combination.
Awesome Jeff...thanks for the feedback. My son is 4yo. I'm doing similar but starting with 1. backpack 2. head 3. hooks I have yet to show him the offical "rnc"... his harness/backpack actually has only recently been able to go over/under due to size. But- from bear hugging the head I have taught him to squeeze(while doing all 3^)...and keep doing so asking me if "do you give up?"...all the while I am unhooking, blocking, shaking, crazy horse stuff. I like the "toe eatting" I'll use that thank you. From the turtle(referee position) I have also taught him a wrestling 2on1 breakdown using dounble unders then the hip to drive me flat as he takes one of my arms twisting it like a 'motorcycle' ..then transition to the harness and headblock, hooks if they are there. For myself as an adult player(at my level) I think its more critical I get the back in this order. harness head hooks(optional) THOUGH...I am not sure if thats a good order for a child, while the hooks first you are more attached to the person making you more vulnerable to multiples. I agree with you that I don't think bullies are going to give up from just being rear mounted, but liability wise the Gracies are covering themselves. I also am not sure I am ready to teach him a real choke, as he is 4yo. We are also working the tackle(sloppy double) in repsonse to a punch or being threatened, as well as a single(run in a circle into run the pipe)...with a sloppy climb to mount. For mount I am using the classic bjj, mostly the bp stuff(base, headhold, swim, armbar w do u give up). I keep trying to teach him kesa gatame and yoko shiho, but they aren't as fun to him so he doesn't gravitate to it. Thus I will be patient and wait till later. All in all I like the philosophy and it is a good bonding experience that parents can do with their children. I am definately trying to keep lessons unoffical and 2-5mins if that. They're used more as bonding and imprints. I have seen children physically ready for more technical skills, but pschologically they become damaged due to overexuberance and high expectations being thrust on them. I am really trying to make and teach my son that ma are a lifetime thing by going slow and using tons of positive reinforcement. He's had about 3 offical bjj classes, and each one were spread out by 1-3months, with a close eye on him and any avoidance quickly rechanneled to a fun activity or game that has some carryover but is related. |
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2011, 05:16:00 AM » |
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I hear you. How old is your son? I have a small kids class of 6-7 year olds where I teach my son and a handful of his friends. When I teach them the Crazy Horse game, I use the reminders "Hooks, Harness, Head!" Hooks, get your hooks in tight without crossing your ankles. I pretend I'm going to "eat" their toes and I pull their feet up in the direction of my mouth. They think that's hilarious and it gets them to pull their hooks really tight. Harness, they get their over/under seatbelt grip if their arms are long enough and prepare to hold on tight. Head, they have to glue their head to mine so we don't headbutt each other. Emphasizing these three elements seems to work pretty well, and they have gotten pretty good at securing each other's backs as well as mine.
The only issue that I have is that without teaching them the RNC (deliberately left out of the Bullyproof program), the backmount loses a lot of its potency, IMO. I don't think many bullies are going to give up from being held there (much more likely from side control or mount). What do you think? Have you shown your son the RNC? I have taught it to my son, but I have not shown it to the class, and he never even thinks to use it in that environment.
Keeping the harness with no hooks could be a viable option if he has long arms and a good squeeze, though IMO that takes a bit more agility and coordination to maintain against a thrashing opponent than the harness/hooks combination.
Awesome Jeff...thanks for the feedback. My son is 4yo. I'm doing similar but starting with 1. backpack 2. head 3. hooks I have yet to show him the offical "rnc"... his harness/backpack actually has only recently been able to go over/under due to size. But- from bear hugging the head I have taught him to squeeze(while doing all 3^)...and keep doing so asking me if "do you give up?"...all the while I am unhooking, blocking, shaking, crazy horse stuff. I like the "toe eatting" I'll use that thank you. From the turtle(referee position) I have also taught him a wrestling 2on1 breakdown using dounble unders then the hip to drive me flat as he takes one of my arms twisting it like a 'motorcycle' ..then transition to the harness and headblock, hooks if they are there. For myself as an adult player(at my level) I think its more critical I get the back in this order. harness head hooks(optional) THOUGH...I am not sure if thats a good order for a child, while the hooks first you are more attached to the person making you more vulnerable to multiples. I agree with you that I don't think bullies are going to give up from just being rear mounted, but liability wise the Gracies are covering themselves. I also am not sure I am ready to teach him a real choke, as he is 4yo. We are also working the tackle(sloppy double) in repsonse to a punch or being threatened, as well as a single(run in a circle into run the pipe)...with a sloppy climb to mount. For mount I am using the classic bjj, mostly the bp stuff(base, headhold, swim, armbar w do u give up). I keep trying to teach him kesa gatame and yoko shiho, but they aren't as fun to him so he doesn't gravitate to it. Thus I will be patient and wait till later. All in all I like the philosophy and it is a good bonding experience that parents can do with their children. I am definately trying to keep lessons unoffical and 2-5mins if that. They're used more as bonding and imprints. I have seen children physically ready for more technical skills, but pschologically they become damaged due to overexuberance and high expectations being thrust on them. I am really trying to make and teach my son that ma are a lifetime thing by going slow and using tons of positive reinforcement. He's had about 3 offical bjj classes, and each one were spread out by 1-3months, with a close eye on him and any avoidance quickly rechanneled to a fun activity or game that has some carryover but is related. I hear you on the "too much too soon too intense" thing for kids. I was at a small local tournament yesterday and was watching the kids divisions, trying to picture my son in there. While I think there is a lot that can be gained from it, there is so much about the tournament scene that I hate; the parents screaming at their kids, at the refs, the kids crying because they're embarrassed, scared or hurt after a loss...don't get me wrong, I want my sons to be tough, but I also don't want them to hate jiu-jitsu or competition because I press too hard too soon. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 02:56:17 PM » |
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Just a little update on the Kids BJJ/Bullyproof stuff I have been doing with my son and a small group of other young kids. On Mondays/Wednesdays I have a group of five 5-year olds, and on Tuesday/Thursday I have a group of six 6-7 year olds. I took some video of one of our hour long classes, and made sort of a highlight film for the parents for the holidays. The ones that have been at it the longest have only been training about 8 months, once or twice a week. But they really like it, and are slowly learning some real skills, so it is paying off even if they probably couldn't hang in kids tournaments yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFAMW94Da4kThe second video is just an impromtu demo I asked my son to do in the living room for his mom, to show what he'd been learning this past week. Almost starting to look like real jiu-jitsu!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfyy5olvk9s(Sorry, tried to imbed Youtube directly but not working for some reason) |
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2012, 03:42:59 PM » |
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That's great Jeff! Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2012, 03:16:16 PM » |
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Very nice Jeff.
I've been working on the shrimping and side control escapes with my 5yo.
Bridge and shrimp.
We have been using a wall. Bridge, then frame off of the wall(simulating the neck/armpit) into a shrimp.
The obstacle I have now is getting him to frame off then enter the turtle or getting to the knees... using a hip switch to regain the knees to put the body in position to drive. My reasoning being this movement has better wrestling carry over than pulling guard.
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