Takedowns

[chessmachine]

What are the first couple of takedowns taught in the current JKDU syllabus ?

Thx CM

[Shelt]

I don't have the curriculums in front of me, but off the top of my head the common ones (not sure of the particular order) taught are double and single leg, bodylock leg hook (as seen in GJJ/BJJ), bodylock back drop (tani otoshi) belly-to-back throw (dropping them on the side ratrher than an actual suplex type throw) and rear bodylock forklift (lift, bump and hook shoulder backwards). Other things worked on are neck clinch twist takedown, snapdown, far-side knee block (from underhook).....and I'm missing stuff with my addled brain 

Basically, the core techniques don't have one turning their back to takedown or throw their opponent.

[chessmachine]

Thankyou for that.

CM

[James McRae]

Here is everything that is in my most current copy of the JKDU curriculum (which may be out of date).  I don't see the single leg takedown anywhere in the official curriculum, though I teach it to my guys and require it for JKDU Instructor Level 1.

QS Basics: Snap down

QS 1: Twist down (from neck clinch); hair grab takedown; leg hook (open guard)

QS 2: Double ankle pick (open guard); guillotine counter takedown

QS 3: Body lock (with optional leg hook); leg takedown (bear hug counter); double leg off wall; stick defense takedown

QS 4: Overhand to double leg; double leg from clinch; double leg against barrier (repeated from QS 3?)

[Garth Lynch]

Single leg is in BJJ curriculum, FWIW.

[peregrine]

I'd like to drill the uchimata from an opponents single.

[Burton]

Thanks for posting that Jim. Thanks also for a complete list Shelton! Note that the primary takedowns are simple and can be done under great stress. Also, they do not put you in danger if the takedown is countered. Many would start with a double leg takedown, but if countered, you end up underneath the opponent. Particularly bad for the street.That is why it comes later. But, we need to know the low double so that we can practice against it well.
  And as Garth mentioned, the single is addressed early in the BJJ FTS curriculum as it is important to be able to counter the move.

[peregrine]

Great reasoning for the choice of takedowns in the curriculum.

[James McRae]

But, we need to know the low double so that we can practice against it well.

When I originally read this, I thought it said "against a well."  I'm glad I don't have to take the ukemi for that!

[Burton]

Something new for JKDU!

[Garth Lynch]

This ain't Sparta.

[Michael]

how about the uchi mata style or the leg sweep aided with grabbing the supported knee of the opponent if it fails which is done either in underhook or overwrap where it belong? Which I fairly favorite.

Ingat!

[James McRae]

how about the uchi mata style or the leg sweep aided with grabbing the supported knee of the opponent if it fails which is done either in underhook or overwrap where it belong? Which I fairly favorite.

That's one of my favorites, too.  Since we also do judo in my club, most of my students are familiar with uchi mata and tai otoshi (both gi and no gi versions).

[Michael]

I saw this takedown in the DVD Science of the Fight while during underhook or overwrap you sweep the closest leg and with the free hand holding the supporting knee of the opponent which makes the opponent stable even with one leg or to finish the throw. As I carefully observe, it is a combination of Uchi Mata and Greco Roman Wrestling Single Leg Takedown which I became favorite because the opponent's attention is busy with pummeling and without noticing the foot positioning for Uchi Mata is ready. After I saw it in Science of the Fight DVD and test it in many High Resistance and very successful.

[James McRae]

My favorite variation is the one I learned from Kiko France at American Top Team.  You have a right underhook on your opponent's left arm with head control and far wrist control.  Reap his left leg with your right using an uchi-mata.  If he fails to fall, kick your right foot behind his right leg so that it land flat on the mat to the outside of his right foot (this looks a bit like Silat; your right shin is behind his right calf and your right foot is to the outside of his).  Your left hand reaches over to tap his right knee as you drive forward (as if running in front of him).  The foot trap helps to prevent his right leg from posting as you drive forward with the knee tap takedown. 

Of course, you can always just tai-otoshi off of a failed uchi mata (stepping in front of his right shin with your right calf and torquing your body counter-clockwise to throw).