"Combatives" Which Cage Do You Fight In?

[Bodhi]

Thought this was interesting and kind of pertained to what Burt and i discussed awhile back.
http://strategosintl.com/pdfs/The-Cage-and-Reality.pdf

[Cr8]

Awesome article.  In my experience I haven't seen any defensive tactics courses involve full out sparring in full gear (class A uniform, full duty belt, vest, radio and lapel mic) although I have seen some with full duty belt minus radio.  Thats why I would cringe when I would see a BJJ based system for police.  Ever try to shrimp with a full duty belt on?  If someone gets your back with hooks in, it is difficult to draw any tools because their legs will be on on top of your tools.  Etc..........

It is very similar to the sport vs. street debate.

Train true,
Creight

[Shelt]

Thats why I would cringe when I would see a BJJ based system for police. Ever try to shrimp with a full duty belt on?

If you think thats bad, try two canteens and a first aid kit.......THEPAINTHE PAIN  Thank goodness for camelbacks nowadays.

While I agree with the basic idea presented by Mr. Good  in the article, it seems rather "typical" of the "combatives" crowd to speak of the application of weapon in a conflict.

What to do when muzzle stabbing, buttstroking and stabbung are not available (off duty, hopping out of the shower, courthouse, airport, etc)?  I for one am not impressed with headtilts and the like. A MMAish  training methodology develops useful skills and attributes. One must then adapt the skills to the environment  one would operate in along with whatever equipment is carried.

[Fumaca]

Crap, You just had to post this rigth before Burt leaves for the mainland and leaves the class to Cr8 and Shelt.  Now we're going to have all kinds of 3 on 1 drills, full sparing with the reg. sticks and with those pointy metal training knives.  

I'm sure right at this second, the both of them are thinking of some sort of sadistic new drill for us.

Thanks a lot Bodhi.

[Shelt]

Fumaca,
  I've already took the flak vest off the dummy and fished the LBV out of storage, once I find the "Fritz" i'll be ready for class next week. I'll look real COOOL with all that on and my blue gi with my old Danner Ft Lewis boots. You guys are friggen TOAST. I've got a couple of old rifle stocks we can muzzle stab and buttstrock eachother with too.
               

[Bodhi]

lol sorry bout that Fumaca

[Cr8]

Wait,
    Buttstroking involves a rifle?!

I better unpack my biker shorts and ostrich feathers.

Fumaca is dead meat,
Creighton

[Bodhi]

Cr8 & Shelt sound like my kind of teachers , Burt should go away more often  

[Bodhi]

"What to do when muzzle stabbing, buttstroking and stabbung are not available (off duty, hopping out of the shower, courthouse, airport, etc)?"


Now i by no means wish to live like this, but i cant tell ya how many off duty guys i know that carry weapons, improvised and other.  
These guys have a weapon of some sort on or around them at all times, including knowing what can be used in or around a particular enviroment.   I knew a guy who used to have a knife hanging from a lanyard on his shower head lol

I would say as far as the courthouse or airport go, again, something improvised, "NEVER without a weapon" is the motto!   From what i hear Tom Kier is a master at carrying blades and gives an excellent class on concealed and improvised blade carry. I have heard people say they have witnessed him do amazing things by getting past metal detectors and a pat down.

[Shelt]

I'm all for a "weapons first" response when justified. I'm also quite enthusiastic about the carrying, etc of weapons as well as quite fond coming up with ways to kill with a rubberband, wet noodle and a tampon string.

I even have in my possesion tools which are capable of circumventing metal detectors. VERY GOOD AND EXPENSIVE TOOLS.

I am also quite familiar with a pat down procedure and how most fail to do one in a thorough manner. (If they're not grimacing, you're not doing it right) This one time at "band camp" I stuffed a 7in. Kabar trainer into someones pants and watched as a trainee declared the individual "clean," whereby I exploded in expletives and shoved my hands into another man's pants, fished around and drew forth the aforementioned Kabar (now somewhat more soiled) and proceded to wave it about like a frothing madman.
 

As for concealed weapons, I'm pretty well versed, but I refuse to shove something in the hienie-hole..... There's just no way I can draw that ina fight. Another time at band camp, I offered a Homicide/Robbery defective a knife, while we were overseas, for protection against robbers for his early return to our 5-star hotel. He asked "You have a knfe?" "I have four, a fixed blade and three folders," I responded (One was a Spydie "Dragonfly" so it doesn't really count, but saying four sounds impressive ) "How in the F!@# do you have 4 knives on you Sgt." was his response. It was 100+ out and I'm in boardshorts and a t-shirt and sandals.

I just find it disturbing that these types believe they'll have said M4, Glocks, 7in knives, etc on their person 24hrs a day along with a fireteam for backup.

I have seen clips of demos of Mr Good and his PCR method, and have seen his methods debated on the internet over the years. All I will say is what I said in my earlier post:

A MMAish training methodology develops useful skills and attributes. One must then adapt the skills to the environment one would operate in along with whatever equipment is carried."

For me, my current "Uniform of the day" is shorts, t-shirt and teva sandals, but I can easily adapt my skills to match my attire if my daily wear were to change. Why?....because my tools are functional.....and I hate to pull guard  

[Bodhi]

"I just find it disturbing that these types believe they'll have said M4, Glocks, 7in knives, etc on their person 24hrs a day along with a fireteam for backup."

Shelt, very true, although some feel the need to have that kind of backup 24/7, i cant justify living my life in that way at all times.   Call me unprepared, i dunno.

"I have seen clips of demos of Mr Good and his PCR method, and have seen his methods debated on the internet over the years."

Yes, he is the first to say that many people will disagree with his methods.

" I can easily adapt my skills to match my attire if my daily wear were to change. Why?....because my tools are functional.....and I hate to pull guard."

My thoughts exactly!