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Jarlo Ilano
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2006, 11:22:32 PM »

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***with that i do believe in scheduled fights. something for people to peak for. test themselves in the ring instead of in the gym, this will create more gym harmony instead of gym rivalry. i see my training partners as trainers, not opponents to knock down for a scratch on my belt. if i am catching joe schmoe because of a specific hole in his game i will help him not punch bigger holes in it.  


There are sparring sessions where we hit each other pretty hard.  I remember one time me and Walker were doing a ground and pound drill wearing the cage helmets.  There was one hit where I felt my head spin around like in the Exorcist!  I probably got a good hit in there at least one time too. Wink

Like Malaking Katawan Guro Creighton says to us guys more than a few times, you aren't doing your partner any favors by holding back.  As long as you and your partner are cool about it, you go as hard as you agree upon without it escalating to bad feelings.

We don't have a "gym rivalry", we understand that not holding back is going to make both of us better.  But, Walker has never taken a cheap shot at me either. And neither have I.  We have agreed upon "rules of engagement" and play as hard as possible within those rules.  It's probably when one guy steps outside of those rules that trouble happens...

Plus, whenever I stick spar with Walker, I know he likes to hit me as hard as possible, so that's when I do my patented retirada/wushu move and hit his hand.  He hates that!  Laughing
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2006, 01:16:58 PM »

That is the ultimate in Progressive Resistance.  You both agree to go hard, but without any animosity or cheap shots.  You just play hard.  But, the risk of injury does increase also.  Go hard all the time and you will have to deal with lots of injuries that will ultimately hinder your enjoyment.  It is a delicate balance, but without going hard occasionally, you will not be ready for a real melee.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2006, 10:50:27 AM »

Burton, Cr8, JArlo
thanks for the responses. i'm glad i'm back online... we had technical difficulties for some time.

Burton, i agree that the mutual agreement of mutual force is the ultimate epitomy of sparring control. that is my general rule in most gyms, give what i get.  
 
***with that i wanted to clarify my point in that i am not advocating an avoidance of force in sparring. neither am i saying we should only feather fist.
my main consensus was that i feel sombrada style flow drills during sparring seems to develop the correct fighting attributes faster.  combine that with full force at times(10-30% of sparring) and we seem to get a very efficious way of bringing a person to a higher level.

Cr8
great responses. pace/pressure...my view is that slowing the pace actually improves my game technically(sombrada). though i do see your perspective on going 100% and applying what you will do in the street...to you street comes first. to me competition and technique comes first. a different philosophy.  the sucker punch drill is a good one...

JArlo
kudos on the great sessions. i love training with you and getting beat on by jkdu. reciprocity.
on holding back- i agree to a point, no sense in lighting the guy up(he may get hurt)or flooring him if it is just training not a fight or peaking.
*i am glad you mentioned there is no gym rivalries here. that is true. jkdu is very selective in who it trains.
with regards to rivarly(some friendly competition and others arch enemies) i would like to point out that in many gyms(not jkdu), there are many camps that train in the same gym/facilities... they often spar each other.
bear mountain, ca for example, many people historically have trained there. other times other gyms are invited regularly over to spar.

can't wait to see you guys tonight.
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