UFC tuf 3

[peregrine]

any thoughts on these guys?

i saw a few clips of the second show of tuf3, kendall groves from hawaii smack down his opponent, other than that. Kendall has definatelly got A+ game, big improvement from rotr groves/riggs. his head is in it now.

the 3rd show was the first one of this season i have seen start to finish. the highlighted fighters were bisping(sp) form the ortiz camp and some bjj guy from the shamrock camp.

what amazed me was the bjj guy had a record of 40-3. while the limey had 10-0 or similar. rd1, comes out bisping cuts the dude real bad with a knee on the top of his head and the bjj guy seems to forget how to pass a guy who is a boxers guard. wow.

i also found the differing styles of coaching interesting. as well as the disposition these guys potray on tv. it still remind sme of real mtv.

anyone guessing on the show winner?  

[Shelt]

"what amazed me was the bjj guy had a record of 40-3. while the limey had 10-0 or similar. rd1, comes out bisping cuts the dude real bad with a knee on the top of his head and the bjj guy seems to forget how to pass a guy who is a boxers guard. wow."

I don't watch TUF so I nevr saw the episode. Here are my thoughts on your comments about the BJJ guy forgetting how to pass.

BJJ technique and tatics change with the application of strikes, nogi, both, etc. Many who train BJJ have no training outside of the sport based competion/recreational arena. Things that win you a comp, get you mauled in a fight against a trained MMA opponewnt. Even BJJ trained for Vale Tudo differs slightly from BJJ for MMA. In essence, BJJ training in general develops techniques and attributes that are useful for many types of competiotin/fighting, but they also require specific training for the arena in which one wishes to apply their skill.

[Burton]

So true!  You have to train specifically for the rules of the event if you want to be successful.

[peregrine]

the guy had an mma record of 40 wins.

[Inirie]

I knew that Kendal Groves sounded familiar. One of the guys I train with fought him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00xLEFdBy48

[Jim McRae]

To support Shelton's comment above:

I found the following quote from Helio Grace on Royler's website at http://www.royler.com.br/historiaeng.shtml.  

"The Jiu-Jitsu that I created, was to give chances for weaker people to defend themselves from stronger people. This martial art became of such success that a Jiu-Jitsu for competition was created. I would like to make clear the I am in favor of practicing sports, as well as studying martial art techniques, in any style, as well as a good nutrition, sexual control and abstaining habits that may harm ones health. The problem is the creation of a Jiu-Jitsu style for competition with rules and inadequate bout times which favors the more trained, stonger and heavier practitioners. The goal of Jiu-Jitsu, is mainly, to benefit the weaker. My Jiu-Jitsu is an art of defense that does not accept certain rules and determined timing in bouts. These are the reasons for which I can't, with my presence, promote events, which results in a anti Jiu-Jitsu."
--Helio Gracie

[Burton]

Thanks for posting that.  There are lots of BJJ, wrestling, and even kickboxing techniques that work when fighters are of similar weight.  BJJ is amazing for its ability to give a smaller person an advantage over a larger, stronger opponent.  Same with kicking to the groin, striking at the eyes.  We are interested in self-defense, where you will almost always be at a disadvantage.  Competitions are very beneficial for testing and pushing the envelope, but it can also lead people astray if they get too wrapped up in playing the game to win on points.